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quote: Originally posted by Anxious 2: Hi djwayne Laughing my ass off  (sorry for my inconvenient language) Was this before or after Warner invested in the website? I signed up with lala thru TuneCore a couple of weeks ago and had no idea it was owned by Warner until yesterday. I've been getting some nasty comments about the article on another website, so I decided to delete it from there and here too. quote: Originally posted by djwayne: Yikes, it looks like I'm already in business with Warner, as I have a page set up on their new lala website here ..... http://next.lala.com/#artist/djwayne2000hahahahahahaha
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| Posts: 71 | Location: North East Ohio | Registered: May 23, 2006 |
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Hi djwayne Laughing my ass off (sorry for my inconvenient language) Was this before or after Warner invested in the website? quote: Originally posted by djwayne: Yikes, it looks like I'm already in business with Warner, as I have a page set up on their new lala website here ..... http://next.lala.com/#artist/djwayne2000hahahahahahaha
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| Posts: 865 | Location: Denmark | Registered: January 25, 2008 |
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Warner to Bet $20 Million on Song Rentals 5/28/2008 By Shane Sinnott According to the website of Michael Robertson, a longtime player in the world of high-tech entrepreneurialism, Warner Music has invested $20 Million in the website lala.com, which is soon to offer a service where you can "buy" songs for ten cents. The setup is a catalogue of over five million songs, each of which you can stream once for free through your web browser. After that, you can "add" a song to your personal collection for a single credit, which costs ten cents. The catch: the songs aren’t downloadable. You can listen to them as much as you want, but only through a web browser in your personal collection area of the lala.com site — they can’t be put on MP3 players, or iTunes. Warner is gambling that you’ll pay ten cents to stream something that you can probably get easily (and permanently) for free. This might not be as crazy as it sounds: while I don’t think anybody is going to use the site for serious music buying, for the price of a CD you get 200 songs that you can listen to from any computer with an internet connection anytime you want - perfect for those with office jobs or prone to attending parties with bad music. A quick look through the catalogue rendered it decent enough as Black Dice, Erics Trip, Charlie Parker and Staple Singers all turned up hits. The site hasn’t yet launched publicly, but you can try it in beta — and you get 50 free credits for signing up. ********************** Yikes, it looks like I'm already in business with Warner, as I have a page set up on their new lala website here ..... http://next.lala.com/#artist/djwayne2000hahahahahahaha |
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| Posts: 71 | Location: North East Ohio | Registered: May 23, 2006 |
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Let me get this straight, its illegal to download, burn and copy music, and the artists aren't giving it away for free.
Sounds like theft doesn't it.
I wonder if the active musicians could get royalties from the companies who manufacture the burners, and the mp3 players, blank CD, DVD, Bill Gates, etc. Most of these devices would be useless without music, for most people.
Robert.
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| Posts: 38 | Location: Canada. | Registered: October 31, 2006 |
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quote: Originally posted by djwayne:
Sorry about it being such a long article, but it does cover many points. What's shocking to me is that a big company like Warner is so deep in debt.($2.6 Billion) They have to pay out almost $4 million dollars a week in debt service...that's incredible !! No wonder they're screaming about downloads. They've got lots of parties to pay for !!!
Dj, I enjoyed the read, no worries. But Warner admitted to making blunders. Like 'writing off $18-million on an investment with Bulldog Entertainment Group, and the spending of $73 million in buying Roadrunner Records. It would appear that they became too confident and therefore paid a heavy price by being negligent. If I were a musician having signed up with them, I would feel a 'shaky ground' under my feet. It would be an insecure feeling of trusting a corporation that I believed had more business savvy than not being able to read the 'fine print'. The 'god Warner' threw the dice, and lost. And how many times will they feel they can keep throwing the dice without any dire consequences? Should a musician gamble away their hard work with business corporations where their executives sit behind their desks selling the idea that they're the best? Waiting for the 'raise'? "The debt service of about $200 million per year is about 25 per cent of the market cap," the message-board correspondent wrote. "And these guys are giving themselves raises?"No wonder they're in debt. Shan |
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You forgot Commandment 11: If you can play bass guitar, you can always work... quote: Originally posted by Shan-Lyn: quote: Originally posted by djwayne:
Here's a rather long article about the Warner Group, to give you another perspective of today's music business. Looking at the amount of debt they've incurred, being an independent artist has it's benefits.......
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P.S. Reflecting, there was a time when the parents of past generations would tell their children, "You can't make a career out of music". There just might have been a little bit of 'indirect' truth in this, with all the companies swooping in for the larger take on the business. And the musician stands at the intersection. Baffled, and thinking, "....and my parents thought there would be no recognition in this??". Musicians should have a set of 'Commandments' of their own. 1. Love your music with all your might, soul and heart. 2. Do not take your music in vain. 3. Respect the sabbath day of going 'busking' out on the streets and in the parks. 4. Respect what your parents have said, indirectly. 5. Beware of the mighty 'greed gods' from the huge city 'corporate business' Babel towers that are always strategizing to take advantage of you every step of the way. 6. Thou shalt not kill the mighty 'greed gods', no matter how frustrating they can be. 7. Do not lie to yourself about the 'mighty greed gods' by 'idologizing them. 8. Do not judge them, but take your music and walk out their offices. 9. Do not covet someone else's music. 10. Eat, drink and be merry! Shan 
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| Posts: 214 | Location: Monterey CA | Registered: May 22, 2007 |
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quote: Originally posted by djwayne:
Here's a rather long article about the Warner Group, to give you another perspective of today's music business. Looking at the amount of debt they've incurred, being an independent artist has it's benefits.......
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P.S. Reflecting, there was a time when the parents of past generations would tell their children, "You can't make a career out of music". There just might have been a little bit of 'indirect' truth in this, with all the companies swooping in for the larger take on the business. And the musician stands at the intersection. Baffled, and thinking, "....and my parents thought there would be no recognition in this??". Musicians should have a set of 'Commandments' of their own. 1. Love your music with all your might, soul and heart. 2. Do not take your music in vain. 3. Respect the sabbath day of going 'busking' out on the streets and in the parks. 4. Respect what your parents have said, indirectly. 5. Beware of the mighty 'greed gods' from the huge city 'corporate business' Babel towers that are always strategizing to take advantage of you every step of the way. 6. Thou shalt not kill the mighty 'greed gods', no matter how frustrating they can be. 7. Do not lie to yourself about the 'mighty greed gods' by 'idologizing them. 8. Do not judge them, but take your music and walk out their offices. 9. Do not covet someone else's music. 10. Eat, drink and be merry! Shan |
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quote: Originally posted by Shan-Lyn: quote: Originally posted by djwayne:
Here's a rather long article about the Warner Group, to give you another perspective of today's music business. Looking at the amount of debt they've incurred, being an independent artist has it's benefits.......
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Bronfman, more than his peers, has to live with the import of the Warren Buffett dictum that when you have even a well-run company in a lousy industry, it's the reputation of the industry that remains intact.
Thanks for sharing Dj. It was a bit of a long read, but the impression was screaming out that the 'music industry' has clearly become a 'monopoly game'. Shan
Sorry about it being such a long article, but it does cover many points. What's shocking to me is that a big company like Warner is so deep in debt.($2.6 Billion) They have to pay out almost $4 million dollars a week in debt service...that's incredible !! No wonder they're screaming about downloads. They've got lots of parties to pay for !!! |
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| Posts: 71 | Location: North East Ohio | Registered: May 23, 2006 |
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quote: Originally posted by djwayne:
Here's a rather long article about the Warner Group, to give you another perspective of today's music business. Looking at the amount of debt they've incurred, being an independent artist has it's benefits.......
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Bronfman, more than his peers, has to live with the import of the Warren Buffett dictum that when you have even a well-run company in a lousy industry, it's the reputation of the industry that remains intact.
Thanks for sharing Dj. It was a bit of a long read, but the impression was screaming out that the 'music industry' has clearly become a 'monopoly game'. Shan |
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quote: Originally posted by Ramona: quote: Originally posted by Robert:
Unfortunatley it is legal to download music and make copies of it.
Robert.
Tell that to this woman....... http://wcco.com/local/music.piracy.downloading.2.370684.html
As everyone knows, I would be the first to say that downloading music and making copies is illegal, but I really need to express the flip side of the coin here... I think RIAA is feeling a little too 'self-righteous' and eager to push their might weight. They could have driven the message home just as well, without going overboard in crippling one woman's financial life. And RIAA says, "We hope this will drive the message home". They could have driven the message home in another way. The poor woman is now the 'icon' of RIAA's tyrannical power. Some people just don't seem to understand where the 'pivot point' is, and they go around waving banners of victory to an extreme. I'm an ardent player of Chess, and even in Chess there are 'dignified rules' as to what should be done with the enemy. There is such a thing as integrity. RIAA has not shown this in the case. If RIAA continues to have this 'hunt-and-kill' attitude, they may succeed in diminishing 'piracy', but the 'artists' will also get affected. On RIAA's home page, there's a link indicating: Report Piracy I can just imagine the mess. But then, on the other hand, it could very well backfire in RIAA's face...people won't report anything. They'll just find other ways of getting what they want. It's obvious RIAA wanted to win this case very badly, but they don't come out looking 'honorable'. Back to the drawing board on dealing with 'Piracy'. Kind regards, Shan-Lyn |
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| Posts: 118 | Location: Duluth, MN | Registered: August 12, 2007 |
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I've been thinking about how much money artists stand to gain from an iTunes/online download sort of model, and I found this on an internet search. quote: Derek Sivers from CD Baby has magnanimously shared some good news in a mass email to his clients and on a recent Pho post..."Apple iTunes USA just raised their wholesale payout to $.70 cents per download", even though song pricing remains at $.99 cents each...Artists signed on with CD Baby's Digital Distribution who are available on iTunes can now make $.63 cents per song - which is incredibly generous when compared to other distribution methods...Also, For the iTunes music stores that are outside the U.S., the recent payout averages are: iTunes Europe: $.88 cents, iTunes UK: $.88 cents and iTunes Canada: $.62 cents...In addition, when iTunes launches in Japan and Australia soon, CD Baby's digital catalog will reportedly be in both. (Of course, just being available "for sale" in cyberspace isn't enough...Copyright holders need to develop and refine methods to drive traffic to the sites to generate sales.)
(this from: http://billboard.blogs.com/billboardpostplay/2005/07/apple_itunes_ra.html ) I am unclear here as to if this scenario is only through CD Baby - like if Loreena's involvement with Verve is anything like what I just quoted. However, this is interesting to absorb, and more food for thought as it were. |
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Hello everyone,
The first step to be taken for the solution of a problem is being aware of the problem, and I think Loreena is doing very well in giving us "food for thought" whatever our conclusions are on the current situation of the music industry.
However, there seems to be needed more than reflection in such a complex issue with so many parties involved and with rather different interests.
When I ask to myself if music should be free, another question runs to my mind: Is there really anything free in this life? Well, I think nothing is for free, and regarding music, somehow we will pay for what is happening now. For, what kind of music do we think there will be in these free networking sites? Maybe, rather poor. And, how free downloads will affect the public, the listeners?
Music is more than a pastime. Music is emotion, and help us to know ourselves better as individuals and as a whole in this world.
I hope I made myself understood and apologize for any mistakes with my English.
Kind and warm regards,
Antonia.
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| Posts: 14 | Location: Murcia, Spain | Registered: June 28, 2007 |
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